US SOCOM Accucracy Requirements!

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  1. Bobby Kobito Member

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    Hey all, I just found this information and thought I'd share it:
    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...d7e84c745853607ecc571c0003c&tab=core&_cview=0
    "Accuracy shall be 3.0 MOA (T), 2.0 MOA (O) @100 yds. and 5.0 MOA (T), 3.0 MOA (O) @ 300 yds. both in .300 BLK supersonic."
    Granted this is for PDW's but I wanted people to STOP obsessing with MOA so much! It's more important to work on your FUNDEMANTAL Shooting Skills and as you become more proficient with that, then of course you MOA will shrink! A 5 MOA is the size of an average mans hand which is a KILL SHOT, shooting Center Mass which the Military Trains for! I've found that 9.9 Times out of 10, a bad MOA grouping is the result of the SHOOTER and not the Gun or Ammo he is using! So give yourself a break, stop putting unnecessary stress on yourself and work on your Fundamentals! Also, we all have Bad Range Days, so don't FREAK! If you have one, then start trying to think what YOU did WRONG and stop blaming the GUN & AMMO... Just Saying! Bob
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  2. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    In this case it looks like they're talking about the mechanical accuracy capability of the weapon system. Your assessment is correct though. People spend way too much time obsessing over tiny groups when practical real world accuracy requirements are actually pretty darned sloppy. My own use case requires both tiny groups and being able to hit a specific point of aim which isn't very practically applicable in a civilians life.
  3. boostless Active Member

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    Just because they are calling for testing doesn't mean that they will adapt it. This is pretty much where the 6.8 SPC came into play but was abandoned by the military and later picked up by the civilian market for further development.

    My experience in the military is that they don't spend enough time teaching service members proper marksmanship techniques. I have seen countless people not even able to zero their rifle at 25 yds. Just a disclaimer, I never served in a "Combat Arms" MOS so I don't really know how they train.
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  4. Bobby Kobito Member

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    When Spec Ops want something they 'normally' get it... Think about the 45acp, that all Spec Ops are issued, why, because they work in the "Real World" and the Girlie 9mm was NOT putting down the Bad Guys with 1 shot! Hell, I was in when they Switched to the Berretta and after that our A-team guys brought their personal 45s or 357 revolvers... (I was in D Co., 2nd Bn., 7th SFG(A) for 5 years on 'B' Teams, not a SF Tabber) It was because enough finally bitched about the 9mm in after action reports in Afghanistan, that SOCOM decided to listen to the Operators! I don't know how the Military is training now but everyone I knew could zero their rifles and qualify on the Pop Up Target Ranges we used. I'm assuming that you were in some Support Unit or further back like a Depot Repair? But never the less, they should all be able to handle their weapon regardless of job! I got out before the ARMY was Puss-a-fied by Clinton and the BS Time Out Tags they were given to use for when they got stressed. (unreal) I think the Military abandoned the 6.8spc because they already had the Combat Proven .308 and 300 Win Mag in service and the difference was not great enough to justify the costs? The bottom line to ALL shooting is Basic Fundamentals or your going to SUCK at the Range or get Killed in Combat!
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  5. boostless Active Member

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    I don't know the reason why it was dropped but it's a pretty sweet round to me. As far as weapons training in current times you go qualify once a year, twice if your lucky. I think it's extremely stupid that they don't spend more money on weapons training but then again they have contractors do a lot of shit now. I was a turbine engine mechanic, majority of us worked in aviation, there were very few who were in tanker units. All the depot level stuff is handled by civilians/contractors now. You really only get to do your job when your deployed and that's if the contractors are too busy to get to it.

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