Short comings of the MVP LC .308

Discussion in 'Mossberg MVP Rifle General Discussion' started by Marshuff, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Marshuff New Member

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    I'm not really sure they put enough thought into the MVP LC. The problems are many and the solutions few.

    First: Why would any gun maker produce a bolt action rifle with a small Mag release button and only on one side? The release button is far too small for a big fingered person. A really poor design.

    Secone: Instead of putting a rail on the front of the gun the use a cheap bipod that hooks to the front sling post. It's cheap and without a rail you can't even put a sling on the thing.

    Third: The but has a hole for a rear sling but the area is so fat, its hard to find anything that fits. Didn't they even think about how a sling would be put on this rifle?

    Fourth: The bolt has enough slop to give it the feel of a really cheap gun.

    Yeah, it looks pretty cool but I would rather have a gun that is well designed and this isn't it.
  2. Keith Moderator

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    I don't think the MDT chassis was ever really meant for anything more than a bench system. I did see that some one modified one so they could mount a Troy or APEX hand guard on theirs to enable rail mounting like you are talking about as well as something better to grab the front of their rifle with. I think it may have been on here.

    I believe there is a provision made available on the MDT site to allow a standard buffer tube and AR stock to be used so you have better butt stock options.

    The bolt is loose by design and locks up tight when in battery. Mossberg isn't the only one who has bolts like that, though it isn't everyone's "cup of tea" I don't have a LC but a Patrol but the action is still the same. I and others have gotten very good accuracy out of the general platform over all. Granted, there are some gripes as well but the over all response seems to be positive as time goes one. It does depend on what you are using the rifle for and will greatly influence your opinion of the rifle as a whole.

    Concerning the mag release, you might want to poke around to see if anyone has been able to change that. Most of the MVP models don't use that stock and I don't have any personal experience with the LSS chassis to give much in the way of options or ideas. Hopefully, others on here who do have experience can help you out with your dislikes.
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  3. wood chucker Moderator

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    Embrace the "slop" ! It aint really slop, it's clearance an it's for reliable operation in extreme environments.
    All the great bolt action battle rifles like Jap Arisaka, Mauser '98, M-1917, '03 Springfield etc. had the same clearance for the same reason. And so did the great classic sporters like Remington Model 30, Winchester Model 70 etc.
    Notice how the "slop" goes away when you close and lock the bolt ? Same as the classics. ;) These MVP's ain't range toys or parlor guns they are field rifles made for use in the real world no matter what the weather throws at ya. :cool:
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  4. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    The mag release is made to match the ergonomics of the AR-15 and does well enough at that. Left handed shooters will find that it's not conveniently placed but being a bolt action rifle it's not exactly made for quick mag swaps. The mag release is a monster improvement over how the mag release on the base Varmint/Patrol/LR rifles come out of the box. Anyone with normal sized hands should have no trouble actuating it. I have pretty fat fingers and have no problem using it under time pressure in competition. Sorry, but this specific gripe sounds like sour grapes at best. That said, yes there's a solution http://www.odinworks.com/XMR_p/acc-xmr.htm.

    The fore end of the LSS chassis comes with pre-drilled holes that you can add a picatinny rail to with zero effort https://mdttac.com/picatinny-mounting-rails.html. Most bipods that are sold in the USA are the sort that connect to the sling swivel and while people complain that this is a weak system, I'd beg to differ. The number of times I've overloaded my bipod, rammed it into barricades full force and generally abused it would have certainly busted that sling stud if breaking it were a really likely thing. In 20 years I've never broken one and I have kind of a lot of guns that I set up with sling stud mounted bipods and I'm kinda rough on them.

    A pic rail mounted bipod is nifty but unnecessary. If you want to equip the rifle that way, the provisions are there to mount it and all you need to buy is the section of pic rail (link above). With the Harris type bipod, they do come with a sling attachment point on the bottom of the bipod. It's the two little ears sticking out. That's super uncomfortable to use though so it's best that if you're going to mount a bipod that you use a flush cup mounted side facing for sling carry like https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...ling-swivel-socket-ar-15-steel-melonite-black. The butt stock already has a provision for side facing flush cup mounted slings. Again, calling sour grapes. Nobody expects their rifle to come with every possible accessory.

    If you're trying to mount your sling at the toe of the butt stock, you're doing it wrong IMO. Use the flush cup and set it up for a side mounted sling. You'll be more comfortable.

    And bolt slop has been dealt with above. To echo them, that's a design feature. Not a fault.

    If this gun isn't well designed (and I'm one of those that would instantly gripe if it weren't) I wouldn't be able to so successfully use it as a match rifle. Does it have problems, well yeah... I don't like the factory barrel nut or that the factory chambers them a bunch sloppy in the throat or that the factory trigger is set to minimum pull out of the box and that pull is a wicked high (IMHO) 2.5lbs or that the blade in the center of the trigger is irritating as hell or that most of the .223's have iffy feeding reliability from some mags or the plastic bedding pillars on early factory wood stocks or the lake of oil that comes under the stock garbage quality scope mounts or the occasionally iffy attention to detail during assembly. Those are pretty superficial complaints from a competition shooter and they're superficial because there are no fundamental complaints that I could rhetorically sustain. I think you're judging harshly out of a lack of understanding OP.
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  5. Marshuff New Member

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    Thanks, good info. I am getting a better feel for the gun and did put a rail on the forend. I will say it seems to be fairly accurate and I am getting used to the slop in the bolt. I have a couple of FN's and love their Mag release, I guess I was trying to equate the MVP LC with those guns. The FN FAR has excellent Mag releases on both sides and I got spoiled by that. Thanks again.
  6. Marshuff New Member

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    Yeah, I understand all of that and I have all the guns you listed but those were WWII guns and that was to be expected considering how many was made and the need for rapid production (Not including the Model 30 and Win 70) I guess I thought it would be a little tighter like my Savage 110BA. Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
  7. Marshuff New Member

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    The mag release problem is NOT sour grapes. With just a little more forethought they could have made it both bigger and have the ability to release from either side. Yes, I have big hands (6'4" - 275lbs) so it is a challenge to find it. Yes the forend is predrilled, It would have been nice if you didn't have to elongate the holes in the rail to get them to line up. You can get one to go in but have to modify the rail to get them both to line up without cross threading the screw. What you seem to call sour grapes I call needed design changes and no the sling will not mount to the butt stock. There are two holes and neither will accommodate a normal sling swivel. While overall a pretty good gun, My Savage 110BA has a much better design. Thanks for the condensending reply.
  8. Keith Moderator

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    The cups Spamassasin speaks of are for the button release type sling mounts. Since you and he have the chassis and I don't. I'll defer to you both on what it has and doesn't have.

    Comparing the MVP to the FN is unfair in my opinion. Very different class of firearms. The Savage is closer but I'm not sure if it would be considered a peer competitor.

    It's kind of like comparing a Ruger 1911 to a Colt 1911 or a Kimber. The Ruger, while a fine pistol, is not going to shine in comparison.

    Anyway, we'll help you out as best as we can if you want it and hope you'll stick around.


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  10. Marshuff New Member

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    Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
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  11. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't condescending. It was simple instruction. If you feel bad about getting some instructions and BS being called on petty gripes, I can't help you. I did in fact point out some product to make your complaint go away so getting pissy on me isn't doing either of us any good but it makes you seem a little thin skinned.

    Learn what a flush cup is, re-read my post as advice and loosen up a bit and maybe you won't be so pissed at me. Damn kids.
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  12. jwb47 Active Member

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    hey now my ruger 1911 shines right up their with the springers , colts and kimbers when putting rounds down range in a rapid and accurate manner .

    dont make me go to my safe place and cry . :D


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  13. Keith Moderator

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    I knew I would get someone's goat. Haha!

    I like Ruger and have a couple. I would actually like to get more but haven't decided what yet. It might be the 1911.

    I like my Kimber. It's a great shooter and a fine carry piece. The only thing I don't like about it is that special take down tool you have to use, which can be a pain.

    Anyway, like I said before, the Ruger is a fine pistol. Out if the box, I think Colt and Kimber are better, but that doesn't mean the Ruger can't run with them.

    Think about what people on here do with their MVPs and how others look at them as far as quality and performance. It isn't going to win in the looks or fine tuning competitions but the things do run well.

    I care more about function over looks. It's a tool and meant to be used. I'd be too worried about dinging up a pretty gun and really don't want to pay for one either.


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  14. jwb47 Active Member

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    I have goats and you cant have them . lol you know I was just pushing your buttons , I have been running the ruger in uspsa matches for a year now in the single stack division usually close to 200 rounds per match , the gun is accurate and dependable I have never had an issue and that includes the mags which are dumped in sandy soil during changes . I think that says alot for the pistol and design . I have not changed anything since I see alot of guns that are modified get pretty finnicky about ammo and dirt . I do shoot 45 acp and there is not any question when we get to the steel portion of the match who is shooting major power factor I never have to shoot a target twice . I usually finish somewhere in the middle of the pack and thats ok because I mainly shoot to improve myself and have some fun . I have nothing against colt , kimber , springfield armory or armscor I see them all and most like mine are limited by the operator .

    P.S I really do have goats


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  15. Keith Moderator

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    I used to have goats when I was a kid. Got to feed them and clean up after them too. My parents had bought them to act as a natural lawn mower for some of the larger grassy areas. That didn't work out so well since they were apparently the previous owner's pets. They wouldn't eat a darn blade unless someone was with them to keep them company.

    The draft pony on the other hand, he was a great lawn mower! And a heck of a lot more work to take care of for me....

    Back to the 1911s. Do you prefer the Ruger over the others or is it pretty much a wash as far as reliability and performance? I've only shot a couple other brands other than my Kimber and I really didn't see a difference but I didn't have the others apart either to see what they looked like inside. I've seen Remington get a bad rap on theirs but it seems just about everything Freedom Group owns wasn't what it once was either.

    Now for Moderator duty...

    Gentlemen, please tone it down a bit. Disagree all you want but keep it civil or take it to the private messages. Thank you.
  16. jwb47 Active Member

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    To be honest keith I really dont think there are a hill of beans difference in the 650-1000 dollar price range from what I have seen other than the finish with kimber having the best in my opinion. rock island which is made by armscor puts out a very functional gun at a budget price .remington had some growing pains but they are putting out a decent gun now and springfied has some nice models . I think the main thing is to shoot often and learn your weapon . the average joe like myself who does the run and gun thing on the weekends will never know the difference between an sti race gun and their springfield range officer .
  17. Keith Moderator

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    That was kind of what I thought but I have not done a lot with pistols outside of what I already own. I've always been more of a rifle person than a pistol person. I enjoy both but have always liked rifles better. Some people are the other way around.
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    I simply bought a 10" piece of picatinny blank and drilled it to match the hole pattern on the LSS.
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  19. Mikaveli Member

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    Regarding the mag release -

    As it's basically an AR-style button, I'd guess there must be an over-sized version to fit?
    Loads of comp and 'tactical' guns run a bigger release, so sourcing and fitting one should be easy.

    Bipod -

    It should be easy to mount a sling on the bipod - you'll see loads of examples after a quick Google. If you don't like the OEM Caldwell, you've got plenty of options. Personally I like the flexibility of having a sling mount from the factory and / or Magpul MOE rails if I go another direction.

    Yeah, a sloppy bolt when open. But as others have said, it locks up tight and does what it needs to shoot well. If I'd have bought a more premium rifle, things would be different - but I like the extra £200 - £300 the rifle left in my bank account :)
  20. Mikaveli Member

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    Just checked my LSS (LC) stock - the mag release appears to use an AR-15 standard release - and spins on when you push the button in as usual.

    That gives us loads of options - for a big button you have:

    http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rsized-magazine-release-button-prod18770.aspx

    But beyond that (and for those of us that don't mind the size) it gives us the option of a bit of 'bling'. I did a quick Google and you can get logo engraved release buttons, exotic materials, different sizes and finishes. Whatever floats you boat.

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