Discussion in '223 / 5.56 MVP and Variants' started by Keith, Aug 31, 2017.
That's some decent field shooting right there. Not Spamassasin league but it's a heck of a lot better than a production rifle usually shoots.
Can't take a newb that's never shot before and have them smacking 900yrds inside 2 hours unless the rifle can do it. I did some pretty gnarly stuff with my factory barrel, it really surprised me that it was as good a shooter out of the box as it turned out to be. Now I've got the Columbia River Arms / Black Hole Weaponry barrel and it's even better.
He does tend to do a lot of shooting, so that may have some to do with it. Granted, he typically doesn't shoot the distances Spamassasin does, but he does make it a point of pride to be able to shoot well. Especially after running from target to target.
I haven't done a enough shooting with my 5.56 and it is still limited with the factory iron sights, so I really haven't got a chance to see how well mine will really shoot. I need to try the rounds Spamassassin recommended still. My 7.62 shoots phenomenally well with the right ammunition. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything to replace the now no longer in production 168 grain Remington Sierra Match Premier ammunition. Not that I've done a lot of bench rest shooting to wring that out either....I just haven't had the time this year since I've been playing catch up from when my shoulder was kaput.
Keith: Try FGMM (Federal Gold Medal Match) 168's. Should be basically the exact same load.
I did. The group opened up a lot. Whatever Federal does differently made a huge difference.
Come to think about it. When I shot the Federal, I didn't use the Caldwell Solo Rest to lock the rifle in, just bags. I might need to redo that in the same conditions.
A little clarification on the Remington. It was at the end of the day and I was out of fresh targets, thus why there are wider shots than what I measured.
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I have owned my 1st gen MVP for 4 years now. It has a fluted non threaded barrel. I have always had about 1/2 MOA groups with mine running 52 to 55 grain bullets. I picked up some 70 grain Bergers and went to the range yesterday and shot two 2" groups at 500m. I think I have found my load! Previous to that my best at 500m was 3.25" and was usually closer to 4".
The barrel on my gun is a good one. I did do a very strict break in procedure for the first 100 rounds though.
I'm sure with a better trigger and a muzzle brake it would be even better.
Just my .02 on a 2 month old thread lol
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I know this thread's a few months old but it's one of the reasons I signed up here. I'm considering a range rifle in 556/223. I watched this video a couple of times and there are a couple of things I see in it that concern me and make me cautious about buying a MVP. 1) Throughout the video it seems like the bolt action isn't very smooth at all on the rifle they're using. Could be I just don't know jack about bolt rifles, so I'm asking - is the action on the rifle in the video typical for the MVP? 2) The problem he has with the gun not firing because the firing pin (apparently) isn't moving concerns me. He said the problem moved with the bolt. I've been trying to find other posts from people who've had this problem, or if Mossberg has fixed it. Haven't found much. This could mean the rifle in the video had an unusual problem that's not typical, but I thought I'd ask here.
His problem was unusual from what we've seen here. As far as running the bolt. It is some what the nature of the beast because of the double stack mag and the steel factory mags. Magpul mags run much smoother but you still have to run the bolt like it owes you money. Keep in mind, while the MVP is an effective rifle, it is on the budget/value side of things. Spamassassin successfully uses his for long range shooting but I don't think he left much stock on it either. Others have been pretty happy with the models they have chosen as well. That being said, it certainly isn't going to be a Kimber or a Weatherby but it will serve you well.
Self loaders need a stiffer magazine spring to push the rounds up quick enough to match the speed of the bolt or they miss feed.
These mags put more up force on the on the rounds against the feed lips than traditional blind box mags so stripping the rounds feels a little different with a full big mag. Try it out for a wile and if you can't get used to it you could clip a couple coils to lighten the up the traction between the case and the feed lips but that mag probably won't work right in an auto loader anymore.
It's not a buttery action so if you're used to remingtons or winchesters, this ain't that. There's play and slop that have been strategically added which serves to increase reliability. It's meant to be a field gun, not a target rifle. Running the bolt very deliberately and smartly (like it owes you money) is extremely helpful. There have been a couple rifles I've seen threads here and there that had some problem with the striker not touching rounds off but Mberg took care of them likkity split and we never heard squat about them again. My bolt has had a similar problem but I induced it with way overpressure loads that were reliably getting pierced primers. The little slug of primer cup that got punched out each time would get forced back into my bolt and jam it up every 2-3 rounds causing me to tear the bolt apart, poke out the slugs of primer cup and reassemble. Not running 85K psi loads solved that problem and stopped me blowing up extractors like they were on sale.
If you want a gun you can put a STANAG mag into and run 30 or 60 or 100 rounds in a varmint field it's a hell of a good option. If you want to use it for proper long range precision work, the STANAG (AR) mag does not allow long enough loading to accommodate 80gn pills or many other heavy .223 cal bullets without undue consumption of the boiler room in the case so you can't load long unless you single feed. I single feed a lot. If you want something more classically precision oriented then it's best to get a gun you can already use with or easily convert to use with 2.8" mags. Capacity will crater but you'll be able to feed long loads from the mag.
I got my MVP Varmint originally to shoot squirrels with. Then I got back into long range precision and wanted a light rifle for my monthly match because it's a walking match in the hills and a light gun was easier to lug around. Were I to do it again I'd probably get a Savage or Remington because they cost about the same but aren't limited to short AR-15/STANAG mag length.
Here's what you get if you redouble your efforts after losing sight of your goals and just replace everything but the receiver (can't see muzzle but it's got an A2 birdcage on it):
In better lighting without the bipod extender on it and with a different scope.
Abe 677, Welcome to the forum. This is a good place with knowledgeable people. I have a MVP 223 18" heavy fluted barrel. From the factory mine was not great but after some mods and trying out different factory loadings I am very satisfied with my working rifle. I have a post on Modifications/My 223 mods you might read. IMO, if you want a decent bolt gun that uses AR mags, buy the Mossberg. If you don't care about the AR mags, I would consider the Savage Model 11. Both are going to need some tuning, but both are good platforms. My two cents.
IIRC Mini 14 mags are longer front to back.
There's enough meat in the mag well front to take some material out.