My new MVP 762

Discussion in 'Mossberg MVP Rifle General Discussion' started by TomL, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    TomL,
    I don't understand why if it's the trigger, it didn't get fixed when they put a new trigger in mine. That's what bothers me.
  2. TomL Member

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    This past Friday I when to the range 100 yards
    To practice my marksmanship.
    Shooting one of my savage
    Rifles that has a trigger
    Just like Mossberg.

    With the Mossberg
    If I looked at the trigger it would fire
    Less then a pound I guess
    Next round it would feel
    Like 10 pound pull.
    After a few rounds the tip
    Of my finger would be sore.
    Then after more rounds
    The trigger would start clicking
    Like going into safe mode
    But I squeeze the trigger no different
    With tip pulling straight back
    And following through after
    Firing round.
    Next round it would click
    No can't fire
    Reset bolt fire round
    Several rounds later
    Again click can't fire
    I nicely squeeze the first trigger
    Then touch the second one
    And can't fire locked

    This is why I say its the trigger
    Also someone else in anothet forum
    Had exactly same problem

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  3. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    Again I would think the chances of taking a bad trigger out and replacing it with a bad trigger are pretty slim considering how many "good" rifles there are out there. That's why I wonder if the bolt isn't fully re-cocking when the action is cycled. A number of times my lighting bolt trigger doesn't move back out to the prefire position when I work the action. It's not resetting, so no matter how hard I press the trigger nothing happens. I never got a clicking. Just a complete failure to fire no matter how hard I would squeeze. The only solution was to roughly cycle the bolt and then it would pop back out. In fact if you dry fire and it works, I could lift the bolt carefully, recocking the striker, and then closed it again without ejecting the empty, the lighting bolt would stay back in the fired position thereby not allowing the recocked striker to fire. That's why I was wondering if something was not working correctly in the bolt so that it wasn't causing the trigger to reset. I hate to buy a Timney trigger and it still do the same thing. But that may be the best idea. I wish you had yours back so I could find out if they did to "correct" the problem. I may wait to send it back again till you get yours back. Keep us informed please.
  4. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    When you buy a mass produced rifle and expect there to never be a lemon in the pile you're not in touch with reality. Yeah, that sucks but it's life. If you want it to be 100% absolutely perfect out of the box you buy a custom rifle built by a gunsmith for about 5x the cost of a MVP. I have to say it's odd that folks would be expecting to be treated like they bought a tier 1 product when they actually bought a bargain brand, off the shelf, gimmick rifle... just like I did. So far there's been very little about the MVP that is anything above "package rifle" and I never expected much more so I've been pleasantly surprised. I've also replaced the stock and trigger and scope bases and lapped the action and I'm replacing the barrel now so what I paid 650 bucks for was really a very light weight bolt action receiver that takes STANAG mags.

    Y'all are also, IMHO, off base expecting that the first time through is going to be the only time through RMA. I had a RIA 1911 that I had to send back to RIA 3 times before it was right. When it was finally right, boy was it right though. When my brand new car started making suspension noises inside 2K miles it took literally 5 years, 4K bucks, 2 dealers, 4 suspension specialist shops and finally one local mom-n-pop mechanic to find out it was a loose bolt on the steering column. Manufactured things aren't as simple as one might think. Sometimes the problem isn't at all obvious. Understanding that the people you're dealing with are doing the best they can for you is step 1.

    If you want perfect quality from the factory in an off the shelf rifle, get out your Visa card and grab a Weatherby or Sako or Blaser quality gun. Otherwise one has to accept that the odds of being the guy who gets the lemon at least once asymptotically approach infinity at a rate proportionate to your expectation that things should turn out otherwise.

    I'm not ragging on either of you guys, I'm simply stating that perhaps a more measured and relaxed attitude would bring you some peace and allow you to pursue the solution to your problem without the emotional turmoil.
  5. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Hey TomL and or CaliforniaKid, I have a factory MVP trigger you can have for free laying around. Could use it to help you debug. If you want then send me an address by PM. The only hitch is you have to pay it forward if there's ever an opportunity.

    CAKID: If you're in northern california we can connect and I can try my timney on your gun, see if it cycles properly. If not I'm pretty sure I can find whatever is farking you up. Not sure I can fix it but I can almost certainly find it.
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  6. Keith Moderator

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    Spamassassin makes a good point; however, I'm not going to try to change your mind. You gentlemen are unhappy with the product and the service you have gotten and that is your right. My MVPs have served me well thus far but I am in no way a brand loyalist. I get what I think is going to be the best buy for my money. Apparently, that has not workout for you. My previously mentioned Taurus PT145 was inconsistent as all get out accuracy wise and I got tired of trying to figure the pistol out. A friend of mine had similar experiences with his PT1911. Others on the Taurus forum swear by their Taurus semiautomatic pistols and love them to death. My experience has been different but I have not completely written off the brand. What revolvers I've shot of theirs has been great and I would get another revolver by Taurus, just not their semiautomatics. To each their own and I hope things work out for you all in the long run, regardless of what direction you decide to go.
  7. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    Mass produced or not I think we should all have a reasonable expectation that what we are buying should work. I don't think that its acceptable for a $700.00 rifle to not work because it didn't cost $5,000.00. I bought the MVP LR because I wanted to try something in .308 without spending an arm and a leg. I didn't expect a 2-1/2 lb crisp, glass smooth trigger, nor did I expect it to group 3 under a quarter at 300 yards, but I did expect it to shoot. Using your logic I guess we should have expected problems with your car.....because it didn't cost Tesla or Ferrari money ( I can only assume, if it did I apologize). I on the other hand, expect manufacturers and dealers for that matter to treat their customers with respect, be professional and quality check their work whether it's a new, but bottom of the line, Ford Focus or a Platinum or King Ranch edition Ford F350 Crew Cab diesel. If I had wanted to replace the stock, the trigger, the scope bases, the barrel and lap the action .....I certainly would have bought a better rifle to begin with. Regardless I expect firearm manufacturers to be much more particular than other manufacturers and certainly more so once a firearm has been returned for repair. Because a firearm accidentally going off or failing to fire could result in death or serious injury it should be quadruple checked. I expect them to take some initial responsibility and not just send it out the door, hoping it works and won't come back.

    spamassassin I wish I did still live in California, I would have taken you up on your long range shooting classes that you mentioned in another thread. You sound like someone we should all get to know because it appears as though your one of those people who has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know about long range shooting. I did live in the central valley in Lemoore but upon retiring I moved to Montana. Thanks for the offer of the trigger but I think I'm going with a Timney on Monday and if that doesn't fix it, I'll send it back in to Mossberg since I have already gotten the return authorization. When I spoke to them the last time it sounded as though they were waiting on parts to replace the defective triggers and that may be why TomL's has been there 3 weeks already and hasn't even been looked at. They are waiting on the replacement parts. So, other than falling farther and farther back in the repair line.....it looks like I have time.
  8. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    You make a good counter argument on the Tesla/Ferrari point but I did in fact expect that I'd have some problems with a $28K car. That's, I think, why car companies sell low end cars... to make money for the dealer and the car company selling them replacement parts. Now to another point, what we're seeing here is fail to fire, nothing to do with firing without cause and that's the best way for a gun to fail IMHO. I wouldn't take an unproven weapon into a situation where I was actually counting on it (I take $3-5K guns to matches all the time and they get finicky too and break sometimes but less often or severely).

    It looks to me like there was a long running production tolerance error in the trigger or trigger hanger that affected the .308's for a while. I'd thought they had that resolved but I guess resolved is one thing, parts on hand is another.
  9. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    See, I would not have expected to have had problems with a new car just because it only cost $28k. $28k is quite a bit of money. I think car companies sell lower end cars to get new customers. Catch younger customers just starting out so that hopefully they can get you to become a loyal lifelong customer so that as your income rises so does your need/want for a more expensive car/truck. In fact they should really be putting everything they have into their "starter models" (dependability wise) so that one day they can sell you that town car or that, sticking with Ford, SVT Cobra or Rapter.

    Some people believe that when they buy a firearm, or car for that matter, that the manufacturer is doing them a favor creating and selling them something they want at a price they can afford. I, on the other hand, believe I am doing them a favor buying their product instead of someone else's. When I buy that whatcha-ma-callit from Mossberg I'm telling the manufacturer that I trust his name and product and I support his company over someone else. When I take that product home and it doesn't perform as advertised and I send it in for repair, I'm telling that supplier hey, come on now, you said this product would do a, b and c and it's not, now make it right. When they return it to me unrepaired, they're telling me that they are too busy to do the job right and that they don't care about me or fulfilling their obligation. If I have to send it in a second time, and some on here have said it took 3 returns to fix something, and it still isn't fixed then they are telling me I'm an idiot for buying their product and what a fool I am for ever thinking they would honor their commitment to me as a consumer. Maybe I just expect people to do what they said they would.

    spamassassin on a side note are you using your upgraded MVP in competition and if so how is it performing? What trigger did you opt for? What size groups have you been able to get. What could we reasonably expect with a tricked out MVP? Just curious.
  10. TomL Member

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    Thank you spamassassin for the offering
    The trigger. I will wait and see what I get back
    From Mossberg, but I don't feel confident.
    I believe its the trigger ,but I could be wrong.
    The rifle has a steel barrel, A chamber
    Etc. The only moving parts
    Are the bolt and trigger and they can't
    Get that right !
    In the past , if a bought a car
    Or washing machine
    That had problems and problems etc.
    I wouldn't buy that product
    Again. Its as simple
    As that. That's the only
    Power I have. Unfortunately
    Most companies don't seem to
    Care.
    The only power I have is not
    To buy their product again.
    I joined this forum thinking
    I would have years of shooting
    This rifle and discussing
    Different issues and experiences.
    New the basic rifle goes
    For like $900. Used $600 ?
  11. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    I guess we have different expectations. In my old age I started finding that the closer to couture the things I bought were the closer to perfect out of the box. That limits the hell out of the number of things I can buy of top quality. I agree on the idea of building customers for life but in the real world price point and superficial aesthetics do rule the roost. Remember, 25% of the people in the USA are regardable as literally mentally retarded and logical decisions of value don't always end up as straightforwardly apparent as one might initially think. We definitely have slightly different views of the relationship between producers and consumers. I don't see either as doing the other a favor. One cannot exist in the absence of the other and so they can't be argumentatively or conceptually decoupled for rhetorical purposes to my mind.

    I compete regularly with my MVP. It started out as a squirrel gun and plinker but the long range precision course I took a liking to requires a nasty hike up and down California hills so the MVP seemed like a nice light solution to the weight problem. With my handloads it did brilliantly for a while. I had them down under .7" consistently with the bulk around .5" and quite a few down around .3" (" = 1MOA). After about 3000 match loads and a couple thousand squirrel loads and a couple thousand steel cased commie loads the barrel has decided to roll up the curtain and join the choir invisible and is being replaced with a 26" Black Hole Weapons barrel. I have both the Jard in a sub 1lb model and a Timney set up at 2lbs. I always use the Timney in walking matches. If you do a full blueprint with top shelf barrel and a few aftermarket parts they're capable of the kind of accuracy you'd expect from a built savage or remington. Mine only needed good handloads to go from a 1.7" shooter to a sub-moa consistent hammer. I replaced the trigger because the blade wears on you in a long session and I put it in an LSS stock and skim bedded the action with epoxy and fully bedded the recoil lug. I do very well with it. If I'm not the only shooter with a .223 I normally have the top .223 class score and I place in the middle of the pack in overall score against the 6.5 and 6mm and just under the .308 shooters. Berger and Hornady bullets have treated me very well.

    This is my shot at 700m during my last match. Did really well.
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  12. Grumpy New Member

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    Yeah i'v been eyeballin a Ruger ranch in 5.56 or the Predator.
  13. TomL Member

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    California kid,
    I had no groups.
    Out of the box. I had to take my bolt to
    Gun store near me because bolt
    Was in we wrong position and had to be reset
    To install bolt. I didn't have a rubber mate
    Or vise.
    I put lazer bullet in barrel to
    Sight In scope at approx 100 yards
    From house. Scope was so far out
    Windage to left, it took two full turns
    To bring over to lazer dot.

    I would have nothing left.
    So I shimmed scope to bring over
    Without adjusting windage.
    Next first time at range, well
    You know what happened
    Trigger would fire with an once
    Of pressure, then pounds of pressure.
    Plus misfires
    Next time at the range after adjusting
    Trigger in a few turns
    Same thing.
    So this rifle from hell, Mossberg has it
    For a month now.
    I will be much older i think, when I get my
    Rifle from hell back.
    I only want to get it back
    So I can sell it, to buy a ruger
    Precision or I was thinking
    Savage 110ba
    Think I favor the ruger.
    Its just not fair, that's its going to cost
    Me so much because this company
    Can't produce a bolt and trigger
    That functions correctly and safely.
  14. TomL Member

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    No place to shoot on long island
    More the 200 yds.
    I just really think something like the
    MVP looked cool. It Turned into nightmare
    Just to own something really cool.
    I don't live in the Midwest or near mountains
    Where you can just drive and
    Shoot long distance then drive
    Home.
    I don't see any value in a Mossberg
    Forum if I dont own a Mossberg
    Rifle in the near future.
    Everyones really nice.
  15. wood chucker Moderator

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    It happens from time to time with all manufactured goods but sorry to hear you got the shortest straw in the bale on this. I hope it comes back to you ship shape.
  16. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    Interesting. We certainly do have different thoughts and expectations. In my old age I have discovered that a more expensive vehicle with more bells and whistles is in the shop far more often that it's less expensive counterpart. Especially considering many top and bottom end autos in many cases, share so many of the same parts such as engines and drivetrains. Now certainly your theory does apply in certain/specific circumstances. Tools for example, I always buy a "better or best" tool if I plan on using it more than once. I'll buy Proto, Craftsman or Snap-On if it's a tool I know I will use over and over and a cheap tool if I know I'll use it once. With tools , as an example, you get what you pay for. But at the same time I don't buy the most expensive regular unleaded gas in town thinking it's better. My son-in-law bought a Savage budget rifle combo (rifle with scope) for half what these MVPs are going for and it has performed flawlessly for years. He has taken deer and more coyotes than you can count at over 300 yards. $700.00 should get you a working rifle. If I remember correctly my Savage series 12, BVSS in .243 was under that, although it has been a few years, and that rifle is one of the finest I have ever shot.

    Regarding the relationship between producers and consumers, you really believe one cannot exist in the absence of the other? I would have to strongly disagree with that statement. We can exist quite well without, for example, American Motors, DeLorean, Eagle, Geo, Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Pontiac, Studebaker etc. And we can certainly exist without Mossberg. Mossberg, or any producer for that matter, cannot however exist or survive without us, the consumer. I have many options over buying from Mossberg again. Remington, Savage and Henry just to name a few.

    It is sad however, that we as a society, have gotten to the point where we think that it's okay to get a product from a manufacturer that doesn't work, and that having to send it back for repair repeatedly, is okay. I didn't buy a Mossberg to become their quality control employee returning the rifle over and over until it's correct. I bought it to shoot, and if I can't do that then I will spend my money with companies that make a product that does work.
  17. TomL Member

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    Well, 8 this morning FedEx returned my
    Rifle. No prior word just arrived.
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    Not sure what they did.
    Didn't say anything about
    Trigger ?
  18. boostless Active Member

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    That's odd they didn't say anything about returning it. I'd dry fire it and see if the problem was fixed.
  19. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Looks like they shot it 15 times, replaced the stock (betcha that was the source of the problem, stock impinging somewhere), replaced the barrel, replaced the barrel lock nut, replaced the rings and finally gave you a new bag. Basically they rebuilt your rifle and test fired it.
  20. CaliforniaKid New Member

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    Looking at my invoice the first two lines list the rifle configuration with the s/n. I had thought I had a different stock when I got mine back, but looking at the quantity -1 first line and then the quantity 1 on the second line I think it's just a way to keep track of the rifle coming in and then going back out. It does, as spamassassin stated, appear that they replaced your barrel and the barrel nut and you may have gotten a new scope with rings. Mine didn't show any rounds of ammo fired. Mine showed my rifle qty. -1, next line my rifle again qty 1, line 3 was 4x4 "LBA" trigger hsg assm button safety, then lines 4,5,and 6 were shipping boxes, cartons etc. I wish they would say what they did. Surprises me with the trigger problems you were having they didn't even list the trigger. As suggested take it out and see if it's fixed.

    Regarding my rifle, I have spoken with Mossberg Customer Service twice in the last 10 days. The first rep said they were waiting on redesigned triggers to come in and the second, two days ago said a trigger redesign was happening soon. They don't talk to each other apparently. They wanted me to send mine back in and I asked since the redesign had not happened yet were they just going to put another old trigger back in it and hope for the best? They said they would try their best to fix it and I asked how sure they were in my case that it was the trigger? They said 80%. I suggested then I might be better off buying a Timney trigger and seeing if that fixed it and not sending it in and waiting another month to get it back, and in a rare show of honesty, they said.....that's what they would do. They said then we can go back to plan B later if that doesn't fix it. My Timney will be here Wednesday.

    Hope yours is fixed TomL.

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