Ghost ring sight on my .308 Patrol : )

Discussion in 'Modifications' started by wood chucker, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. wood chucker Moderator

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    Yes it takes screw in apertures and jumps the sight radius from 9 1/4 inches to 19 1/4 :D

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    Full write up in a few days.
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  2. wood chucker Moderator

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    I am not on the payroll of Williams. I like lots of stuff. If it's good quality and works as advertised I use it, if not it goes bye bye. Life's too short to put up with junk.

    This Patrol is my hard knocks bush gun/ truck gun so I picked the WGRS as set and forget fixed irons and to increase the sight radius and extra 10 inches for better accuracy. Order for the Remington 700 to get what fits the MVP 7.62 Patrol.

    To add a front sight to Predator and Varmint MVPs have your gunsmith drill and tap one blind hole near the muzzle as is on the Patrol.
    If I needed repeatable click adjustments for an Appleseed shoot or an across the course rifle I'd use the 5D.

    Williams open ramped rear and Firesight front are factory standard on the MVP Patrols.
    Those are the same quality as the Fool Proof I put on the Marlin '94 in 1996, the 5D that has been on the #4 MkI since the 1980's and the same quality as the WGRS Ghost Ring with aperture and Firesight that came in the mail a few days ago.

    The fit and finish is EXACTLY the same old or new. Except for the scratches on my old ones you can't tell which was bought first.
    In short they are still the same excellent sights they always have been and nothing has changed. They are quality pieces precision machined form aircraft aluminum, hard coat anodized in an attractive semi matte black and come with screws.

    Swapping around various pieces and parts on my rifles and a few volunteers confirmed the stuff interchanges. I.E. apertures all interchange across the models that take them. Windage and elevation slides of the ramp base models all interchange.

    These sights are Lego set-plug and play-configure-reconfigure-to what you want or need to suit your fancy and get the job done stuff.


    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm
    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/gunsightsdefault.htm
    Full catalog
    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/pdf/2014_Williamsweba.pdf

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    Next up is to get the same sort of thing going on for my 5.56 Patrol.
  3. Yute New Member

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    Neat setup! Much better than the stock configuration. Now if there was only a way to get a rail in…
  4. wood chucker Moderator

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    There is.
    My pal is going to fly cut some steps in the stock rail and the WGRS to fit together.


    In this pic the parts are catywompus and bass ackwards but it gets the point across.

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  5. Misfit13 Member

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    Awesome write up! I wish they had some kind of ghost ring that would fit on the EGW rail on my 5.56 patrol. Also wish I could acquire a predator stock for my patrol.
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  7. Das Embalmer New Member

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    You should start installing sights for Mossberg. I like your setup way better.
  8. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Long radius irons are incredibly easy to be fast and accurate with at surprisingly long ranges. That's looking like a really nice little setup you have there chucker.

    I have a Williams aperture sight on my .45Cinderblock mauser. The way it's set up it doesn't even really need a front sight. I just index the top of the muzzle to the bottom of the ring of the sight and I've got a 10ft-150m flight path marked out. The top of the sight ring, so indexed, is where the bullet hits at conversational distances and the bottom is where it hits at the maximum really useful range of 150m. yes, tis a bit of a punkin' slinger but I like it. I had a front sight on the gun at one point but it was far too high for the cartridge's performance level.
  9. wood chucker Moderator

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    Loll thanks.

    Now that I have access to a mill again lets see if we can squeeze in enough time to fly cut the Williams and the rail to match each other.
  10. Das Embalmer New Member

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    Now, that sounds interesting.
  11. boostless Active Member

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    Have you shot it yet? I'm concerned that it looks like the rear is too high. If you could get a rail system similar to the Ruger gunsite where there rail mounts on the front of the receiver and goes to where the front sight was previously I would like that.
  12. wood chucker Moderator

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    Yah I have. It works. good. The rail is setting on the bench waiting to get fly cut to fit the WGRS
  13. boostless Active Member

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    So I was searching around and ran across this picture on Mossberg's web site. It's at the very top of the page and it's exactly what I want for the 7.62 Patrol I'm waiting to arrive at my local shop.

    http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/mvp-series/mvp-scout/

    Hopefully it will be available with out the rifle before too long.
  14. wood chucker Moderator

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    If you don't want to wait for the aftermarket makers to catch up there just might be an alternative solution. If there is a scout rail made for the Remington 700 fitting it to the MVP should be a matter of having the mount screw holes drilled in the rail to match the MVP.

    The receivers of the MVP and the 700 are the same length and the same diameter and they use the same two piece bases but...the distance between the bases is different.
  15. boostless Active Member

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    What I have been thinking about is just cutting the factory rail so that it only attaches to the front screws. Only reason I thought about this is that I only plan on attaching a red dot or a very low magnification scope that tend to be smaller. It should give it enough real estate and if I ever put a larger optic on it I'll just upgrade to the EGW or something similar.
  16. Joenavy85 Member

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    Seeing as how I'm picking up my patrol in a couple days, I guess now I have to buy these for it. I have a buddy who can machine the steps as needed to keep the rail. I plan on having a couple barrels to swap between, so I'm definitely keeping the rail for a future scope.
  17. Keith Moderator

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    Too bad Williams doesn't make an Ace in the Hole rail for the MVP.
  18. Chuck S Active Member

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    Find a way to get rid of those dots on the rear sight. You should not even see the rear sight, just the front and your eye will automatically center in the rear aperture without the distraction of the dots.

    -- Chuck
  19. warrendee New Member

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    Dumb question # 2 (I'm full of them). If I want to remove the stock rear sight, I see a single screw that appears to be holding it on. Is that the only one?
  20. Awastatyme New Member

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    Wood Chucker, have you ever finished your sight mods?

    I have a 5.56 patrol. I had an idea of taking off the rail and moving the stock Williams rear sight to the rear receiver hole. But just looking at it, it seams to sit to high. Would ordering a rem 700 Williams rear sight be the better option?

    I might just try and relocate the sight and see if there is enough vertical adjustment on the sight to work.

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