7.62 Patrol Accuracy

Discussion in '308/ 7.62 MVP and Variants' started by Marneaus, Jan 27, 2015.

  1. Bobby Kobito Member

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    That looks to be around a 2 1/2 MOA which good all things considered! I believe anything under 5 MOA is a KILL SHOT, depending on placement, since it equals about the size of a mans hand! In fact, if you're hitting a standard 12"x18" target at a 100 yards is good shot. Think I'm wrong, just place said target to your chest and see the truth of where the holes are. Just saying!
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  2. Keith Moderator

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    I got a chance to get the Patrol out to the range to try out some different rounds. Now, for you that don't know, each rifle is different. What works best in my rifle may not necessarily work best in yours and this is a sample of one. I haven't completely bought into a particular brand or or load and I have not discounted a particular brand or load either.

    I wanted to get out to the range with what seems to be working best as of yet (Remington 168gr BTHP Premier Match) but the locally available supply seems to have dried up. In the past, I was able to get a 3/8" group at 100 yards and I wanted to know if I was lucky or if that is indeed it's favorite match round.

    Now, I don't think I was "in the zone" so to speak. It wasn't a bad day but I did not feel the same as I did when I shot the above mentioned group. So, further evaluation of the following rounds will need to be done.

    Well, 168gr Federal Sierra Matchking BTHP did not do that well, which is the feeling I had gotten before but I did not save targets and online reviews on the ammunition have been so good. The best I could get was 1 5/16"

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    165gr Federal Sierra Gameking BTSP opened up even more to 2 1/8". Not surprising since it is a game load and not a match load after all.

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    150gr Federal Soft point did better at 1 1/2". More acceptable. Aim small, miss small, right?

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    And just because I have some, I shot some 149gr M80 Lake City FMJ rounds. It's a cheap, plinking round IMHO, so I did not expect much.

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    Then I tried my hand at a 200 yard target. It was my first time shooting so "far", so did not know what to expect. This was with 168gr Federal Sierra Match King BTHP. The funny thing is that the Lake City ammo did better with the M&P10.

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    And to illustrate my point about every rifle being different. Here is a target using 149gr M80 Lake City FMJ out of my M&P10 at 100 yards.While not an excellent group at 2 3/8", it shot better than the MVP and held together better at 200 yards than the MVP did with what appears to be the "wrong" match ammunition for the rifle.

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  3. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Try some 178's. I betcha it snugs up.
  4. Keith Moderator

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    I plan on it, in various brands. Part of the reason on the focus towards 168s is because that is what the scopes are specifically calibrated for. The MVP is dialed in and the turrents are zeroed as well, so I can play with the dials and not worry about losing zero on the focus round.

    I get to play with different rounds and brands now to see what the rifle like. Hunting wise, Federal Soft Points look promising.


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  5. Lafitte New Member

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    100 yds
    Hornady Custom 150 gr SST
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  6. Noob_Marksman New Member

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    Just outta curiosity, what is the longest accurate shot anyone has made with the 308 Patrol? And what scope power is the best option? I know they can come with the UTG 3-9. But I wonder if the 4-12 would be a better match for it, or is a 12 power just overkill?
  7. Keith Moderator

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    4-12 to 4-16 power seems to be a good match for most people. The ones with a bullet drop compensation reticule seem to all be up to 800 yards. With the short barrel, 800 would probably be the max range at most. Downs or Spamassasin would be able to answer that particular part of your question. I think Spam has one but I do know Downs does indeed have one.
  8. Noob_Marksman New Member

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    Thank ya Keith! Longest shot I've made(with only moderate success) was about 250 yards with a 270. Took almost a box of shells to get on paper, but I finally got in 4 inches. Probably luck!
  9. Keith Moderator

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    Best distance I've done is 200 once. I obviously need some work yet. IIRC, the group was about 5". Disappointing but I think it was mostly me.


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  10. Noob_Marksman New Member

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    I just broke the seal, so to speak. The sights are not as close as I'd hoped they'd be. Optic is a must in the immediate future! 10 rounds at 50 yards = 5 hits inside 8 inches with one bullseye. Granted, I jerked the crap oughta the first few out of inexperience with a 308. I tried freestanding a couple and got on paper, the remainder was off a rest across the hood of my truck. I guess it's not terrible for a new gun and all. Sure gives me motivation to improve!
  11. Keith Moderator

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    Off a rest with the right ammo, I can get less than .5" at 100 yards but Everything has to be just right. Last time I was out, I wasn't in the groove and was trying out different factory loads. It was a mixed bag and definitely not one of my better shooting days, even with a good 4-16 X 42mm optic.


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  12. Noob_Marksman New Member

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    Hope to achieve, at the least, this level of accuracy in the future! Put a Burris Red Dot on the rail yesterday and it proved more accurate that the factory sites!!! Hope to have an optic soon!

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    The Quest For Accuracy. I upgraded my 308 Patrol since last posts in this thread. Step1: MDT LSS-XL Chassis. Took the randomness out of my groups, fewer fliers and oddballs in groups. Step 2: put on ATN X Sight2 3-14 Sight. Results. Programmed 3 rounds into the scope and zeroed @ 25yds; then changed my yardage to 100 and let the scope adjust hairs to ballistics. Monarch steel case 147gr....1 3/4 groups to 2" (cut in half!); 168 from Fed Match 1 1/4" to 1 1/5" groups, 150 grain PPU (Monarch boxed) brass case Soft Point ammo grouped 1 1/5 to 1 3/4 most times....all at 100. Scope eliminated the wandering of my zero, I moved the old scope over to a 223 and it's fine, it couldn't handle the 308. Now waiting 8 months for an omega silencer, and my dream hog gun will be done!
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  14. Bobby Kobito Member

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    These pictures are what I shot with my MVP Patrol in .308 @ 100 yards! Using Lapua & Norma Brass (that's all I will use), CCI #200 Primers, H4895 using 43.1 grains & Hornady 150gr FMJ's.
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  15. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    Long range shooting for target work of the range a .308 is capable of can be done with a 10x. That said, if you want to really be able to pull the group size down and you're not just shooting to wound then 18x is even a little slender for me in competition past 700yrds. I prefer 20-25x when the targets get small and really far away. Beyond 1000yrds, 20-25x+ is about my starting point. For most hunting and informal target shooting a 4-12x would do ok. A 4-16x would be better to get you out to the supersonic range of the rifle and still be able to take 35yrd shots on deer. Keep in mind that as you go from a 3:1 mag range to 4:1 and on up to 6:1 or higher the prices of the optic tend to approach infinity. A 4-12 will tend to be less costly than a 4-16 and both will be substantially cheaper (or better quality but not both) than a 3-18x.


    Assuming someone wants to be able to do that reliably and with their first shot: That can only be accomplished with a custom rifle and extensive load development. Sorry. Even with a solid sub-.5moa gun you'll only hit something of that size maybe 1 in 3 shots at 300yrds. The other 2 shots will scare the hell out of that ball but probably not even scratch it. If a red dot is more accurate than iron sights then you need someone to teach you how to use iron sights properly. Not an insult, I suck at it too mostly for lack of practice though since all of my shooting is pretty much done through very high magnification optics. When I'm in practice though irons are just as good as optics other than the 0x magnification.
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    thank you SpamAssassin!!! That is exactly the info I was looking for!! I recieved a 2-7x32 scope from Monstrum Tactical for Christmas, but I can see myself shooting beyonder it's limits in the near future. When I'm able, I will likely go to a 4-12 of a better brand.
    As for the red dot being "better" than the irons, I gotta recant that statement. I'm one of the lucky folks that recieved their Patriot with the sites tilted a few degrees. The red dot felt better because it lined up properly with my eye. When I took the red dot off and let my eyes fall to the correct alignment, I had a 3-4 inch group of 4 with a +4 inch flier at 100 yards from a rest from $11/box WalMart ammo. I plan to do more shooting tomorrow with a better quality ammo and expect better results
  17. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    If you want to learn a lot about long range shooting check out Sniper 101 on YouTube by TiborasaurusRex. He has a number of videos pretty much at the beginning of the series IIRC specifically about scope selection. The rest of the series is great too. If you haven't started it, I'd get on that. It'll save you a few thousand rounds.

    Rex and I will be speaking at a long range shooting seminar in Dallas in mid June. If you're anywhere near there check it out.
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  18. Bobby Kobito Member

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    Hey if your looking for a Scope for your MVP Patrol, I suggest checking this one: http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-...pe-acss-hud-dmr-308-223-reticle-pa4-14xffp308
    I have it on mine and it replaced a Vortex, if that tells you anything! Watch this video from them on how to use the reticle:

    Here is the web link to "TibirasaurusRex" YouTube Channel Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/user/TiborasaurusRex/playlists

    In fact TibirasaurusRex, even has a Video regarding this Scope!
  19. spamassassin Well-Known Member

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    His opinion basically sums up to: Turrets suck hard but the reticle is great so leave the turrets at zero and hold off with the reticle. Not sure if I agree with him but I'm sure he and I will discuss the matter thoroughly soon enough. For those that ain't going to clear budget for something better any time soon, he's right there.
  20. Bobby Kobito Member

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    I agree that the Turrets are not Hard Core Long Range Precision but then again your not paying Thousands of Dollars either. However, REX does mention that for "Real World" Application the scope is good for at least 800 yards! I doubt that most shooters will ever shoot over 400 yards realistically and the fact that a 5 MOA shot (size of avg. mans hand) will be a Kill Shot on most animals, excluding Humans with Body Armor of course ;-P! For Target Shooting Steel Plates at a Gun Range that are normally 15" across and Hunting application the "Primary Arms 4-14X44mm Riflescope - ACSS HUD DMR .308/.223 Reticle" is more than sufficient.

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